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Comment by Vegas on February 1, 2010 at 10:44pm

I have to reply to all of these comments but it won't be tonight...I'm not feeling well at all and I need to go back to bed. Working a double tomorrow. I'll get back at everyone soon, if I remember to...my Gemini ass forget shit all the time.

But thanks for your input, all. Tis appreciated. :)

Comment by Akrabu on February 1, 2010 at 9:31pm

@Louise

Oh, I'm not denying that it is a generalization. I was simply making the point that I don't write off an entire sign just because they are cardinal, or for whatever reason. I rarely even write off the individuals. I'm friends with many people that, if someone else were in my shoes, we would probably be enemies. I do live by the adage that one should keep their friends close, and their enemies closer. Also, as fellow Aquarian and Scorpio ascendant, Abe Lincoln, once said, "The best way to destroy an enemy is to make him a friend."

In my experience, mutable signs often listen - at least in the short term. Growing up, I instinctively knew that I could talk a Pisces or Pisces ascendants into just about anything (and I did, too). Of course, I didn't know what they were, astrologically speaking, but once I read somewhere that "Pisces is Scorpio's natural prey" I decided to look people up from my past, and discovered that the majority of people I considered "gullible" for my antics over the years were mainly Pisces ascendants (and I'm a Scorpio ascendant). Geminis often find themselves listening to Aquarians too. I think the fixed signs (and possibly the cardinal signs, though I haven't directly observed it yet) of all elements are very influential to the mutable signs of that element. I've also noticed the cardinal signs tend to beat themselves up the most over the fixed signs of their element (and of other elements). Just observations, really. Also, the trick with changing the direction of a cardinal sign, is to make it appear like more of a challenge. They seek to "change" things. Me, as a fixed sign, trying to convince them to "stay the course" rarely ever works. It's purely logical, and I can't fault them for it (even when it defies logic). We are what we are. I'm just sharing my observations, as far as this site is concerned.

Also, no need for apologies. I never take anything personally. 'Tis just a lively debate, as far as I'm concerned. =)

Comment by Louise Mulholland on February 1, 2010 at 8:31pm

HAVE STARTED A MEN ARE LOVELY BLOG ! :-)

YES WE KNOW THERE ARE NICE GUYS OUT THERE

TIME TO APPRECIATE THEM!

VEGAS ...AKRABU YOU ARE LOVELY TOO

WE KNOW YOU ARE DECENT GUYS...

APOLOGIES IF THAT DOES NOT ALWAYS COME ACCROSS ON HERE :-)

Comment by Louise Mulholland on February 1, 2010 at 8:15pm

Also whilst i think it is important to be kind on here and polite....and to try not to be negative

I think it is becoming difficult to say ANYTHING on here without someone taking it too much to heart or taking it personally when really it has absolutely nothing to do with them as people...

It is someone else's real life issue ..that they are going through...

And yes i am sure i do it too...

But i think it would actually make it less negative in the long term if we all tried not to..

It is actually taking an adversarial stance

People have to feel free to make points without someone going for the jugular...

And i know vegas that was not what you were saying...at all..

But sometimes we just need to learn to let some things go....or else we just make them worse..

Maybe we should start MEN ARE LOVELY THREAD!

Comment by Louise Mulholland on February 1, 2010 at 8:04pm

@ Akrabu
Yes you did make generalizations....as did vegas...we all do...

I quoted you on them you refered to a generalization of libras with aries moon saying hey what else do i expect
and also

I am sorry

Cardinal signs are intriguing that way. It's best to just sit back and watch them, really.


This is a generalization Akrabu....i am not saying you are not a nice person or anything...but you do it too....we all do....

And yes i fully admit i make generalizations.....TOTALLY! :-)

Mine are more perceptive than yours though;-)

And there is no difference from writing off whole sun signs ...to making references to aspects etc....it is still a generalization....


I think most people on here just attribute certain characteristics to sun signs ...i tend to listen more to what people say....and answer or contribute that way....

By the way vegas...just because someone gives out about a man...dont take it to heart....we think you are a cutie pie:-)

Seriously.....kindness is kindness ...

Some of my best friends are cardinal signs. It's just, I've come to the realization that when I give the advice they seek, nine times out of ten they aren't going to listen. So instead of taking it personally, I sit back and watch. I'm not "writing them off" at all, so those two things don't really conflict.

Out of interest ....do you think that they would behave differently if they were fixed or mutable or whatever or is this really just human nature...

Because i think people all act the same....and i am begining to realize that more and more on here.....everyone does exactly the same thing....regardless of sun signs ..its weird ....regardless of the guys sun sign...they have the same issues....and the woman acts similarly....all the time....

I think humans are morons...

Comment by sugarbomb on February 1, 2010 at 3:58pm

It's not like that. I love hearing the men's POV. The only thing is it seems like they are scared to express their true locker room talk. So they hold back. Whereas women don't hold back. The internet is our locker room. LOL. Guys who are into astrology are usually looking for self improvement. I'm sure they can say...yah...i know a guy like that about every asshole in the zodiac. Doesn't mean it's you. LOL.

Comment by Akrabu on February 1, 2010 at 10:04am

@Louise

Well there you go with generalizations, yourself.. "men are just as bad in all male environments." Nah, I'm not. I don't get sucked into the whole female-bashing thing. I can get pretty hostile at sexism either way, and my friends know it.

And yeah, it's generalizations all the way down. What is astrology, but a bunch of generalizations? That's my main problem with it. But then at the same time, it seems so accurate. When I look back on my friends, from high school, the ones that most sought out my advice were cardinal signs. And not a one of them took it to heart - even after I had proven myself to give at least fairly competent advice. They would even say "haha, I should probably listen to you" - and it used to really bother me that I knew the rest of that sentence was "but I won't." I took it personally.

Also, for the record, I was talking about "writing off" whole sun signs. As in, not wanting anything to do with them. I never said that I felt like that about cardinal signs at all. Some of my best friends are cardinal signs. It's just, I've come to the realization that when I give the advice they seek, nine times out of ten they aren't going to listen. So instead of taking it personally, I sit back and watch. I'm not "writing them off" at all, so those two things don't really conflict.

I see what you're saying, but without the ability to generalize a little bit, what use is astrology? I won't go into a new friendship with a cardinal sign with the expectation that they "won't listen" - but I'll realize they are predisposed to it, and won't be surprised. But everyone gets a blank slate with me - regardless of astrology, or their own past. And I don't withhold the things I see, just because someone is a cardinal sign. It's one thing to make generalizations about sun signs just to prepare yourself, but it's another to pre-judge them and exclude them based on something you haven't observed from them already. That's my point. Everyone is an individual.

@Debre

Whaaaat? Preferential treatment? Can't people just get-the-fuck-along equally, instead of all this preferential shit? Vegas's point is, he doesn't treat women like that himself, so why are they treating him like that? Not all men are assholes, you know. Personally, it's not really an "expectation of not being refuted" - I do kind of expect that. But I also don't back down. If I see inequality, or sexism, I stand the hell up. Just cause I don't roll over and take it doesn't mean I "expect preferential treatment". I wouldn't want a woman to roll over and take that crap either - and I stand up when I see that kind of stuff going on, towards either gender. I'm pretty damn sure Vegas does too. Ugh, with posts like these, it's no wonder sexism is still rampant, on both sides. It's always a "them against us" kind of thing.

Comment by Debre Heassly on February 1, 2010 at 7:25am

Now you know how women feel. We are lwas refuted by men. Just the fact that you expect Not TO be refuted shows that you a\are a man and you get preferential treatment. And when you don't you bitch about it.

Comment by MsDuhaney on February 1, 2010 at 4:42am

Dude, sup with this? My impression is that you are a straight ahead guy and as I've told ya, your opinion and insight is something I value. I don't know what kinda heat guys been getting on here, maybe I've been too tuned out to see it. I generally find that I gravitate to what the men have to say. Perhaps I have a jaundiced view of female rhetoric, though I may be guilty of it myself. I have seen a lot of anger expressed, but I'm not sure its directed toward men as a gender, rather with regard to individual relationships, or failed relationships and the men with whom the female has had personal issues. In my own sitch, as my comments have indicated, my guy may have fidelity issues, but I value his smarts, opinion, insight, and friendship. I don't think it's possible to paint with a broad brush about either gender, and I hope you're not saying that all us chicas on here are hatin'. Hugs.

Comment by cornflower on February 1, 2010 at 2:18am

If a man says something that a woman doesn't like, she will say it's because he's a ass or he's not the same as her man, lol. If a woman says something a man doesn't like, he will say it's because she's a bitch or she's not the same as his woman. It's all denial. People don't want to hear the truth if it hurts. Women would much rather have a bunch of women say "it's okay, he loves you, he's just confused or intimated by your love" (lol, it's such BS), men on the other hand will say "Oh, you should leave her, there is so much more ass out there that doesn't come with complaints". Either way, it's all just not be willing to listen.

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